Grassy Ledge & BS

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Posted by Reg (63.237.115.30) on December 02, 2004 at 17:11:46:

In Reply to: Re: The Texas Mountaineer - Nov/Dec 2004 Issue posted by Okieterry on December 02, 2004 at 13:29:46:

Hey Terry,
I think doing some kind of shoring-up of the soil on the ledge is a good idea but it might be tough to figure out just how to accomplish it. It's not like buckets full of dirt can just be dumped up there with some grass seed. It took mother nature a long time to establish that ledge. All in all it might be easier to ust ask folks to avoid using the ledge altogether and perhaps re-route the start. Even if it is repaired, the traffic on the ledge is eventually going to erode it away completely. Which brings me to another point, if BSD is ever retrobolted, I would imagine the increased traffic on the G.L. would cause it to be eroded even faster. Just look at the base of M.O.A.F., Super Slide, Accidents will happen to see what I mean. I'd hate to see the ledge be completely denuded of vegatation. On a positive note, since the rappel anchors at the top of Super Slide were put in, the scramble down below the Hobbit has regrown enough vegatation that it's not as obvious as it once was.

Speaking about BS, I was wondering if the short pitch below the grassy ledge is or was ever considered as part of BS? Someone told me once that it was but we always just used it as an approach to the headwall.

Thanks!

: I loved the part that Duane wrote about his coming back this spring for unfinished business!! That was awesome! I'm glad to see him climbing again.

: I think that anchoring the soil on Bourbon Street Ledge would be a good idea. I've been thinking about it for a long time. Oh and by the way, the start to Bourbon Street can be done without aid. I start Bourbon Street several ways (depending upon who is following and if I am doing the whole route in one pitch or not). Sometimes I start about 5 feet to the left of the bolt, sometimes about 15 feet to the right of the bolt (look for #1 tricam placement in hole at start), and sometimes I just jump straight up for the holds. A cheater rock would work for most folks (or a boost from your partner or stand in a sling from the bolt). Once you have your hands on the big holds directly over the bolt, its the same original move.
: I still hope we don't ever have to climb "by commitee" at Quartz but if that is the only way....

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: Hey Terry, : I think doing some kind of shoring-up of the soil on the ledge is a good idea but it might be tough to figure out just how to accomplish it. It's not like buckets full of dirt can just be dumped up there with some grass seed. It took mother nature a long time to establish that ledge. All in all it might be easier to ust ask folks to avoid using the ledge altogether and perhaps re-route the start. Even if it is repaired, the traffic on the ledge is eventually going to erode it away completely. Which brings me to another point, if BSD is ever retrobolted, I would imagine the increased traffic on the G.L. would cause it to be eroded even faster. Just look at the base of M.O.A.F., Super Slide, Accidents will happen to see what I mean. I'd hate to see the ledge be completely denuded of vegatation. On a positive note, since the rappel anchors at the top of Super Slide were put in, the scramble down below the Hobbit has regrown enough vegatation that it's not as obvious as it once was. : Speaking about BS, I was wondering if the short pitch below the grassy ledge is or was ever considered as part of BS? Someone told me once that it was but we always just used it as an approach to the headwall. : Thanks! : : : I loved the part that Duane wrote about his coming back this spring for unfinished business!! That was awesome! I'm glad to see him climbing again. : : I think that anchoring the soil on Bourbon Street Ledge would be a good idea. I've been thinking about it for a long time. Oh and by the way, the start to Bourbon Street can be done without aid. I start Bourbon Street several ways (depending upon who is following and if I am doing the whole route in one pitch or not). Sometimes I start about 5 feet to the left of the bolt, sometimes about 15 feet to the right of the bolt (look for #1 tricam placement in hole at start), and sometimes I just jump straight up for the holds. A cheater rock would work for most folks (or a boost from your partner or stand in a sling from the bolt). Once you have your hands on the big holds directly over the bolt, its the same original move. : : I still hope we don't ever have to climb "by commitee" at Quartz but if that is the only way....

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